Jessica Fox
Welcome to The Remarkables – Grant Thornton’s podcast series dedicated to sharing extraordinary stories of individuals who are making significant contributions to their communities.
My name is Jess Fox and some of the listeners might know me as Grant Thornton’s Brand Ambassador, but today I’m guest hosting their podcast series The Remarkables. With us today we have Holly Bailey, the Founder of Play Like a Girl – an organisation that drives gender equality and empowerment through sport, which I’m also very passionate about. Sport has always been a passion and lifelong pursuit for me, so I’m excited to be having this chat and can’t wait to dive into this conversation with Holly exploring leadership, equality and the amazing work she’s doing with Play Like a Girl to create a space where girls and women can thrive on and off the field.
So, welcome Holly – it’s great to have you on the show!
Holly Bailey
Thank you so much, Jess. What a pleasure to be here.
Jessica Fox
It is always fun and exciting for me to chat to inspiring women who are making a difference. So, to kick off this episode we're actually going to jump into a rapid fire round of questions. I'll ask you three of them and you can respond with whatever comes to mind. I know you've got a background as an athlete in netball and AFL, and you've also had some experience in the corporate world. So, I'm interested to see which direction you go with some of these.
Okay, so what's your favourite sport to watch and play?
Holly Bailey
Favourite sport to play would be netball and golf, and to watch – I watch a lot of footy – so, it would have to be AFL.
Jessica Fox
Good variety there of team sports, individual…and what is the most remarkable advice you've ever received?
Holly Bailey
It would be from one of my first bosses when I was in one of my first full time jobs. He was someone who was really good at developing relationships and that had always been such a skill of his, and from I think I was 19 or 20, he would say to me, it's the quality of your relationships is going to depend on how your career unfolds.
So, I really want you to get out there and start meeting people and networking, and he introduced me to a mentor, so it was sort of his advice and the way that he encouraged me to get out there that set me up so well in so many things that I would never have done myself without that nudge of encouragement.
Jessica Fox
It's funny how sometimes, you know, someone's throwaway advice or comment can impact you and stay with you for so long. I'm sure you've had that impact on so many people as well.
Holly Bailey
Thank you.
Jessica Fox
So, question three: what has been a pivotal moment in your career?
Holly Bailey
I would have to say when I made the decision to go all in on Play Like a Girl.
So, I'd had the business as a bit of a side hustle for maybe four or so years by this point, and I went to a conference and there was a guy speaking on stage about ‘The Power of Why’ and the Simon Sinek storyline or his framework, and I felt like the guy on stage was speaking to my soul, and I was like, it's yours, Holly, it's yours to bring. There were a few other initiatives – government initiatives – this girl speaking had come out around the same time, which were fantastic, and I thought, maybe I've missed the boat here, and that moment or hearing him speak, I just thought, it's yours, take it, let's go, and that decision and a few decisions after that led to things really changing. When it gets... you know, I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, but when something gets your full energy and attention, things begin to change.
Jessica Fox
It sounds like it was that…that sign that you needed, or that little nudge and moment of courage to just take the leap and trust that you've got something really incredible and solid that deserves all your energy. So, I love that. I love the self-help; I love the Simon Sinek work. The power of... is it ‘The power of why?’
Holly Bailey
‘Start with Why.’
Jessica Fox
‘Start with Why.’ That's it. That's a great book.
Okay, well, that's a great segue into, you know what I want to hear all about Play Like a Girl. Talk to us about how it started, where it began. How did those early experiences for you as a netball player shape your vision for it?
Holly Bailey
Now, it's definitely evolved. So, from where we are now to where we started is so wildly different. It was around nine years ago that I kind of started to think about what this thing could be. So, like you said, I played netball growing up. That was my first sport love.
I grew up in a family where I was predominantly raised by my dad. So, I grew up in a bit of a boys’ world – me and dad and my… I've got an older brother too, so we're always involved in sport.
I'd be following him to cricket or to footy on the weekends, and when I first had my opportunity to go down and try netball, I just fell in love with it. The second I was on that asphalt, I was like…this is… I just want to live here essentially. So, I played as much as I could and was, you know, super competitive because I'd had to keep up with the boys all the time. So, I didn't necessarily think about girls being any less than boys. It was like, I want to take the boys down, like I want to match them, and I want to compete with them, and I want to give everything that I've got.
So, that was kind of normal, and then I think even a little bit later there was one comment. I remember where I was walking past like a cricket oval. I was out – sort of – where dad was playing and the ball rolled across before me and I picked it up and threw it back and some guy was like, ‘Woah, she throws like a dude,’ and I was like, ‘No, I don't. I play like a girl,’ and it was kind of, I always remember that story, and I wondered if it was like a seed that came later because that's the only real connection I had to what it meant to play like a girl, and then it was sort of a little bit later when my netball… I was playing a little bit more and I was playing at what was a netball/football club and that was the first time that I'd been playing sport in what was a traditionally male dominated space, and I was so excited. We knew some of the people there through school and when I got there we weren't met with the most welcoming people, I guess.
There were some people that were really excited, but some weren't, and you could just sort of say that they didn't really think that was a place for girls to be. It had been a bloke’s footy club for a really long time. So, quite a lot of people left through that period and we – while winning – very like doing really, really well on court. That didn't matter; it was sort of the second fiddle to the men's sport, which was seen as a priority, and I'd never felt that, and I know, I know you know what I'm talking about. I'd never really felt it.
I could see it on their face that they just almost felt like it was a bit of a joke, and, like, I put everything into anything that I do, whether I'm… definitely not playing for Australia, but I like to feel like I am, you know, I want to give it everything, and so, there's all these little seeds along the way that I think led to the moment of going, I want to do something about this, and the real story, the real seed, was I'd been playing netball for… mid-20s by this point…I thought I'd probably gotten as far as I could go.
So, I was playing at a level – we’d had lots of success and doing well, and I had an opportunity to go and play at a grade higher than I thought that I probably could have or that I tried to, and I, like, trained for that moment and I got there and tried to be chill and got there and played really well, and the coach came up to me afterwards and he said, ‘Holl, where have you been? Like, great game.’ And then I just said, oh, you know… like he just said, ‘Where have you been? Why haven't been playing here?’ I said, ‘Oh, you know, I probably think I'm a bit short or I don't know if I've got what it takes here.’ And he just said, ‘Well, I just put a girl in the level above this one who is your height, so that is not true.’
And I felt like a wave just washed over me because I realised in that moment that that was not the truth and it was my own stuff and my own stories, and it kind of really knocked me and broke my heart in a way, and I just thought, I don't want to feel that pain of regret, I guess, or I don't want any other girls to feel that because of the stuff that's going on internally for them, and I just remember going, I want to do something about this, and just sort of letting that unravel. I sort of reflected that I had been thinking in a way that I'd grown up, like, you know, you just…yeah, it just… I wasn't thinking in a way that was productive for performance. The recognition that it was my limitation really upset me. I don't want any limitations, and to find out it was my own was really upsetting. So that was the seed for actually looking to do something about it.
Jessica Fox
It's incredible when you realize that, yes, you can have…one thing that struck me was, ‘Oh, she throws like a dude.’
‘No, I play like a girl.’
And how that sentence, ‘play like a girl’ can be diminishing or derogatory. Or, you know, yeah, it really reduces that value, and I'm sure there are so many different narratives and different sentences that we've all heard as female athletes growing up, but then when you realise also that that affects your limiting beliefs and how you put yourself out there – it’s pretty powerful.
So, you, I guess, had that background. What is the whole goal of Play Like a Girl?
Holly Bailey
From that sort of recognition or that moment going, ‘oh God, the way that I'm thinking or the way that I perceive myself is not how I want to perceive myself, and there's more for me to explore here. So, it was a real unravelling of going, ‘Well, if that's not true, what else isn't true?’ And I kind of started to realise I just… I'm really, like, thinking and saying and behaving in the way that I learned from my dad, my brother and the boys, which was good. I loved the fight, and I loved the grit, and I loved to compete. But there was this whole other part of myself that I'd never really given any grace to, and I really wanted to figure out who I was and how I wanted to lead, and so, I was reading, like, every book I could get. I didn't even like learning before this, but after that, I started going to these networking events and meeting more people and my perspective was sort of being broadened, and, yeah, I started getting books recommended to me, like ‘Emotional Intelligence 101’, I think the book was called, and ‘Feel the Fear and Do It Anyway’, and all these personal development book, and I started going, ‘Oh, my God, I've never thought of this before. I didn't even know these resources existed.’ We didn't get conversations, or anything really like that in my sport, like where we played. We'd had coaches perhaps try and share that, but I don't think I connected with the why of why that mattered, and then I'd enrol in any leadership course through work or any form of learning that I could take on. I would, and so, I was like that new kid that's just come out of a conference that's like, I know everything, and I wanted to start just… I wanted to start sharing what I was learning because I felt like it was making me a better leader at netball. I wasn't so focused on my own performance. I started to realise that it was now about others and that's how we all get better, and so, I just wanted to share.
So, I started running these little workshops and these little meetups where I was just sort of sharing, ‘Oh my gosh, I learned this sort of framework, and did you know that existed?’ And opening up dialogue about it's going to be hard; if we're ambitious, there's things we're going to run into, and here's some things that I'm learning, and that was sort of what I did for four or so years and learning what really did not work and what did work and what people liked talking about, and I sort of got to a point where I didn't want it to be about me driving between footy – I was playing netball then – and work and life, and it was not... I couldn't do enough.
I wanted to do more, and I thought, okay, well, how can I build this into something that one, it doesn't depend on my time, but also, we can give this to more people or open up these kinds of conversations for more girls and more women, because people are really enjoying this like I am, and that sort of… around that time when I met the person that I spoke about earlier, he was speaking on stage and he was able to… what he was offering was that you could go and train with him for six months to learn how to build a program that was built off things that you felt like you could authentically share, and so that was like, I don't even know how I'm going to afford this, but I have to work with that guy. Like, that's the thing. This is the next thing to build a product that I can grow and scale.
So, now we've got a national online community of women and girls across the country who come and do this program that I built in that mastermind that has definitely had to evolve over time, but it's got some really key lessons, which you’ll probably identify, and what I've shared about my big moments of, like, mindset has to be where we begin. How are we thinking? How do I perceive myself? Module two is like, what do I really want? What does that look like? And starting to really not just plan for it but emotionally connect with it, and then module three and the sort of next structure is… what does that look like for me to lead that? Who do I need to be as a leader to bring this thing to life that matters to me? And then how do I get people along on the journey? So, we start talking about influence of others and having them come along because we can't do it all on our own, and then in module five is grit and empowerment. So, how do we get out there and do it and play like a girl in the world?
So, that's sort of essentially the five-week journey that we take people on now. There's a lot more tools and techniques that we have in there, but that structure has remained the same because that's like so authentic and true to what I went on and continue to go on through business journey, but I want others to have that experience too.
Jessica Fox
Oh, it sounds fantastic. I think there's so much value and inspiration when you're the one taking all that information in and learning, but actually being able to then convert that and share that to others and help them in that way is amazing, and it's funny because the self-development side of things – we don't learn that in school.
We have to go on our own journey and find what works for us, and sounds like a fantastic tool, and one of the things, I think growing up as a female athlete, as a girl in sport, that mindset piece wasn't really something you trained. You know, you exercised and you learned the technical skills, but you didn't learn the mindset, and I noticed so many, so many of my friends stopped playing sport as we got older, and it's been reported that a quarter of young Australians make the decision to stop playing sport by 15 and girls are more likely to drop out than boys. So, what do you think is the reason behind that for young people? And how, how are you trying to stop that statistic from growing with all the work that you're doing?
Holly Bailey
I think there's a variety of reasons or things that we've started to uncover or that we've really uncovered. There are so many different pieces of research around this and I'm sure that you relate to where girls might be… either they have so many different demands; there's so many things competing for their attention.
So, sport – i they're not fully connected to it or maybe they're not really enjoying it or something like that – they're much more likely to drop away. There might be challenges around being able to get to and from sport. It could be as simple as that – that things around timing or how they're going to get there aren't thought about. It might be they're not feeling as confident, or the environment's not really set up for them to come in when they haven't been in a place like that before.
Body image challenges, I think that can be an issue if people aren't wanting to wear the kinds of uniforms that the club provide. There are so many reasons not to, and it's a tricky time. You know, you’ve really got to be connected to it, to stay in, but where… we talk about these things a lot in our community and we kind of normalise that there are challenges and how do we get through them, but what I'm really interested in doing – we haven't done it yet – but this is what I want to do, Jess. I want to go, well, I've met Jess now and I've got all these other women that I get to meet and learn from, and we've all stayed in sport. So, what can we learn from us? What are the attributes of the girls who stay in?
Because with this, I don't know any research where that's what we focus on – the solution – because the problem we talk about a lot and I hear about us going, well, how are we going to fix it? It's like, well, I don't know the answer, like we're doing our little bit, but there is a whole lot of information to be learned from the women and girls that stay in. I want to do some research on them. So, if you're listening and you can help us do that, let's go, because we've got the networks, we've got the community. I think there'll be an amazing program to build off those lessons.
Jessica Fox
Absolutely. I completely agree with that. I think we always focus on why we don't and rather why we do is actually where we can learn so much, and you mentioned sort of connection and community and I think that's such a big part of it. You know, even since the Olympics in my sport, for me, I grew up in a male dominated sport. I didn't really have that many girl friends, and now I see this group of girls that have started all together. They love what they do; It's all about fun.
Yes, there's a competitive side of it, but that to me is much more important at the beginning to have the friendship foundations there for girls especially, and then you're more likely to…it doesn't have to be to get to elite sport just to stay active and physically active, and I'm always such a big advocate, especially during high school. You see kids stop because they've got to study for exams, or they want to go to parties, and physical activity can just make such a big difference to our health and our wellbeing and then being better in all those other areas. So, yeah, I'll be part of your research. Let’s do it.
Holly Bailey
Thank you. You heard that here first.
Jessica Fox
Well, I mean, you're a perfect example of a female athlete who's transitioned, you know, into the corporate world. We see a lot of athletes transition into corporate spaces, and I think a term that gets used a lot is, you know, soft skills. We might not have the experience of the workforce as someone, you know, the same age as us, but we've got experience in other ways.
So, how can being exposed to sport prepare women for the corporate world? How do you foster those leadership skills in young women through your programs? And why is that so important for the future of business and sport?
Holly Bailey
That is such a great question, and I could spend a whole day talking to you about this. So, the one I'll share, a personal one, and then I'll share… we focus on this so much in the program.
So personally, I think about where I played netball and footy, and in those…my role…I was a hunter; I was a midfielder – inside mid. So, for me, when I think about how I need to approach certain areas in business, I think, okay, well, I know what my target is; my job is to hunt; I know how to do that. I built that skill playing sport – might be a different context and it might be too aggressive, but that mentality applies if we can connect them, and I love that, and I think I've always been able to find connection with a sporting metaphor like that and then make it work. I like being able to do that.
So, we focus on it a lot in the programs where we'll have people think about what sport they've been involved in and what things they've had to do within that sport, whether it's providing feedback to their team or even providing feedback to their coach or otherwise, or perhaps every week they've been in a, you know, they've been in a losing team for a whole season and a whole period, and they've got to show up consistently. That's not for everyone, and if they're able to do that; that shows resilience; it shows grit; it shows that they're willing to continue growing even in the face of failure, and there are just all of these skills that I think they're reasonably obvious, or if we take the time to slow down and identify them and say, ‘Hey, that is a skill that I've got.’
I can put it in my pocket and take it into any career or anything, but often we don't. We don't stop to identify it. So, we spend a lot of time making sure that the people come through our programs, identify them and feel really empowered in those skills so that then they can take on a leadership role or a career knowing they've got that in their back pocket, and then one final thing on this question – this is a conversation that I love to have. So, might have been two years ago now, we did an International Women's Day campaign where I wanted information from Australian women who are in executive roles who have got a background in sport, because there is quite a bit of research – especially in the States – that talks to…there's 94 per cent of the women in the Fortune 500 have a background in competitive sport – like 94 per cent. Massive, massive! And I hear that a lot, which I think is absolutely incredible, and I want to know it for this country too, and our girls. So, I was like, trying to find where that research is, and I couldn't find any. So, I thought we'll do a campaign where we start to interview some of these amazing women, and it was some of the more simple things that they'd learned, particularly around having difficult conversations or meeting people that they hadn't had… they may not have met outside of sport and understanding their culture or understanding their backgrounds and engaging them or figuring out how to engage them, but it was a simple concept or a simple conversation, but it's really easy not to do as well, if that makes sense.
So, there's just so much, so much that is transferable that we can learn, and if we're looking for a next lot of female leaders, let's start looking into the sport industry. You know, you're right there.
Jessica Fox
And let's start having those conversations where you can identify those athletes that are, I guess, showing the leadership skills in their sport or in their organisation and help, like, upskill them and give them the training and the experiences and the internships and…yeah, I think that's really, that's an amazing statistic, that 94 per cent... I love that. I think, yeah, so many parallels that I see between sport and the corporate world. I love that killer mindset that you sort of talked about because I think as athletes we think, okay, here's my goal. We're very goal oriented and I guess you break it down into steps and how you can sort of work towards something and build your team.
You know, as an athlete, I've got a physio; I've got a strength coach. These people are all helping me with my skill set, but how do we apply that as well in a professional setting? And I found it really interesting working with Grant Thornton to see how our worlds are quite different, but also how they can be pretty similar in that, you know, I'm in a changing environment striving to be the best that I can be, constantly adapting and finding ways to improve, which is a similar approach and mindset that you need in business to be able to deal with different markets and tailor your approach for clients and, you know, creating a great culture and fostering teamwork and alignment of values as well.
One that I found interesting was at Grant Thornton, it's CARE: Collaboration, Authenticity, Responsibility and Excellence. Mine is RACE: Respect, Attitude, Collaboration and Excellence, and I did a bit of research, and I saw that Play Like a Girl it's PLACE.
Holly Bailey
Yes.
Jessica Fox
So, I'd love for you to talk me through yours because I seem. I feel like we all gravitate towards something that we connect with, or we find an acronym that suits us or our situation. So, would love to hear how important values for you are and how you weave them into your work.
Holly Bailey
Yeah, absolutely. I love that. So as Play Like a Girl stands, we run all of our programs, events, mentoring, virtually, so we have this virtual world.
So, I always think about when you step into our place here is what you can expect. So, passion is the ‘P’. So, I think you might get that from me. I feel like sometimes I'm yelling and I'm not meaning to, but I just, I mean it. You know, passion is thread through absolutely everything we do, and our community are just so passionate about creating great experiences for women and girls. So, if you've got that, that’s a really good start for fitting in in our community.
The ‘L’ is for leadership. We want to build a community that is not just talking about where the challenges are and where the problems are, because that can very easily happen, and that's what we focus on. So, we’re making sure that we're bringing together groups of people who want to lead change or lead an initiative or whatever that might be.
‘A’ is for authenticity. We want to make sure that when people come into our space, it's psychologically safe, but I see that so much as my sole job, particularly running programs where it's my job to facilitate a space where people can say what they think, feel and be who they want to be, and that that's a really safe space for them to do that. So, that’s how I perceive that authenticity. I mean, it can be so many things, and also, for me personally, I think the more that I can learn to be that person, that authentic version in so many different spaces, it opens up space for others.
And then ‘C’ – community is like – it’s just a non-negotiable. We… if I think about the community of women and girls that we work with, the community of partners that we've got, companies like Grant Thornton, anyone who's involved in enabling us to do what we do, I see as community, and those relationships are so integral.
And then equality is our final – last, but definitely not least – it's, you know, we want to have women and girls having everything that they need to thrive, no matter what the environment is, and we focus on sport, but it's not just for sport, it's let's set you up really well inside of your sport so you've got the skills to, to do it out there in life as well. That was my secret mission at the start, but it's not so secret anymore Jess, so I think I'm outed.
Jessica Fox
I think it's pretty incredible, and you live and breathe those values, especially passion. I think that’s the most important one because that keeps you going when the times are tough or when, you know, you're faced with setbacks and, you know, maybe you’re not having the cut through that you need or maybe, you know, the, the challenges are there, and passion is just so important with everything that we do, and you're definitely… I'm feeling it through the screen that we're in.
Holly Bailey
You know, I love that… you’re right because that you need something, don't you, in those moments? And there was… I saw you post recently, the day where you were just like, I am not in a good spot to train here, and you are emotional and just not feeling the feels, and you went in there and you just got it done and you're like, ‘I'm just going to do this, even though I don't feel like it.’
And we, we ran a campaign recently called ‘Do It Anyway’ where you might be scared, you might be tired, you might be upset, you might have had a fight with someone, but you’ve just got to get in there and do it, and what you showed is just like, you know, when people say, what does it, what does it mean to be a leader? Or what is it? How do you get to that level? It's like, go and look at this video. Like, just get in there and just goes and does it, even if you're not in the best place, you know, and I just think that that is just such a standout example of leadership and passion and grit and showing people what it really takes.
Jessica Fox
Thank you. Yeah, it was. It's definitely tough, and I'm all about a power cry, which is where I, like, let myself feel the emotion, get it out, complain about it if I need to, but just complete it. So, I love the ‘Do it Anyway’ campaign. That's a fantastic thing because we rarely feel that motivation and inspiration all the time, and it's in those moments that you need to just push through and get it done.
On that, I guess what would be some advice that you'd give to young women who want to break barriers, whether that's in sport, business or leadership, who face those challenges that we just spoke about?
Holly Bailey
There are two things that come to mind. One of those is make sure you build a network around you because if you're ambitious and you're going for something, you cannot do it alone, and those support networks, whether it's sport or business, are absolutely essential. And it might not be immediately recognizable. You think, all right, I'm going to go and do this, but then when things hit the fan or things like you said aren't maybe going that well, you really need people to keep you going. So that support network is so, so critical because my next point is going to be, don't wait for permission.
Be the one – be the one to see the problem and see if you can find a solution or see if you can find someone else to help with a solution but do something. I think that that was kind of a really big moment of going, well, I don't know if I'm the person, but I'm going to have a red hot crack at this, and I think prior to that I'd sort of been networking the idea and maybe thinking someone else might do it or, God, everyone knows we need this; surely this will happen at some point, and it wasn't until I thought, well, ‘I’m going to do it,’ and that moment of going, well, I see the problem, I'm going to have a go at fixing it. I think that is something that I would really encourage others to be the one, be the one to go and have a look at it, see if you can do something about it and make sure you've got yourself support network as well.
Jessica Fox
Be the change maker.
Holly Bailey
Be the change maker. Exactly.
Jessica Fox
Be the change you want to see, and I really think when it comes to female athletes, women in sport, women in leadership, you can be what you can see. So, yeah, it's amazing. I love that.
So, what's on the horizon for Play Like a Girl? Have you got any exciting projects coming up that you can share?
Holly Bailey
Oh, my gosh, I almost can't breathe this week of excitement. We have so many good things happening. So, this is especially a new level of energy. So, I'm not always yelling like this, but there's heaps going on at the moment.
We've got some fantastic new partners to announce in the next couple of weeks where they're buying packs of scholarships for our program that we can roll out so women and girls can come and do the programs for free, which is amazing. I'm really excited about that.
The other thing, which I've been very hesitant to do, but I have to get out of the way of it now, is that we've been building this virtual community for the last four years now and the people in the programs are having these great experiences and now they're saying, ‘Holly, we absolutely love this place. We want to be able to get more involved; probably looking for a bit more connection, deeper connection. Not necessarily don't do more stuff, but give us a way to connect in a deeper way.’
So, all of a sudden I think I'm going to have to be doing some more face to face events and some live training which I've been holding off for a little while, but I think it's time now, and our members, we've got a members committee now and they're really eager to lead it, and so now it's my job to get out of the way of that and allow them to do that. So, we've got some really exciting stuff to come up, and 12 months to figure out how we're going to do that and let the girls free; let them at it. You know, it's the next evolution.
Jessica Fox
To the moon, to the moon!
Holly Bailey
Exactly
Jessica Fox
And I love the opportunity for greater accessibility, and you know, impacting more people. It sounds incredible. Okay, well, to finish off, what would be one thing that you'd love for listeners to take away from this episode?
Holly Bailey
I would absolutely love if there's anything that you heard in it for yourself that you come and check us out. https://www.playlikeagirlaustralia.com/ is where you can find us. Or if there's a girl or a woman in your life who you think she would be perfect for this, I'd love to see her in this environment – same goes.
A lot of the people who have the best experiences in our program have been tapped on the shoulder by someone saying, ‘I think this would be perfect for you.’
So, if you're listening to that, you've got someone in mind. Absolutely put our website, our details in front of them and I would love to meet them.
Jessica Fox
Amazing. Well, I've already got a list of girls I think in my head that I could see benefiting from this. So, thank you so much, Holly. Thank you for your time, your incredible insights. I have loved this chat. It's been super inspiring.
I think your passion is contagious and I loved don't wait for permission, have the courage, if you believe in something, go for it, and that saying of do it anyway even when you don't feel like it.
Trust that you've got the skills, and you deserve to be here. So, thank you for that. I've loved this chat and to see the impact that you're having with Play Like a Girl Australia.
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I'm Jess Fox. Holly Bailey, thank you so much for joining me and thanks for listening.
